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James Mapes. Patient Pre-Op Post-Op Healing Therapy

The founder of Quantum Leap Thinking has developed a new CD series to help those facing major surgery

 
 James Mapes, Quantum Leap ThinkingJames Mapes

"Life can turn on a dime"

For more than three decades, James Mapes, our special guest in this Big Picture Channel interview has been helping people prepare for major surgery.

Three years ago, following his own heart surgery, he made the decision to create Patient Pre-Op/Post-Op Healing Therapy™. In this new interactive program, (available as a digital download or CD), James teaches listeners how to eliminate fear, and help harness the body's natural resources for healing.

James is the founder of Quantum Leap Thinking™, creator of The Transformational Coach™, expert on the psychology of "applied imagination," best- selling author, highly acclaimed business speaker, consultant, seminar leader and personal excellence coach. We recorded a series of interviews with James in 2011. (See sidebar for links.) At the time, he was developing the Patient Pre-Op/Post-Op program - making presentations to hospitals and meeting with groups of surgeons and other medial professionals.

Today, in our exclusive podcast, James and Producer/Host Peter Clayton will explore the results from his research, personal experience, and discuss why the approach James advocates really does help to reduce anxiety, diminish post-surgery complications, and reduce or eliminate pain following a live-saving procedure.

James Mapes Patient Pre-Op/Post-Op Therapy Transcript, TotalPicture Radio

For more than three decades, James Mapes, our special guest in this Big Picture Channel interview has been helping people prepare for major surgery. Three years ago following his own heart surgery he made the decision to create Patient Pre-op/Post-op Healing Therapy. In this new interactive program available as a digital download or a CD, James teaches listeners how to eliminate fear and help harness the body's natural resources for healing.

James is the founder of Quantum Leap Thinking, creator of the Transformational Coach, expert on the psychology of applied imagination, best selling author, highly acclaimed business speaker, consultant, seminar leader and personal excellence coach. We recorded this series of interviews with James in 2011. See his feature page here on TotalPicture Radio for those links. At the time of our podcast series in 2011, he was developing the Patient Pre-op/Post-op Program making presentations at hospitals and meeting with groups of surgeons and other medical professionals.

James, it's really great to see you again.

James: It's great to be seen and be here with you.

Peter: As I mentioned the last time we met, you were presenting the concept of this Patient Pre-op/Post-op Healing Therapy Program to surgeons and other medical professions. So what's been happening? Bring us up to date.

James: I had this idea a little over 3½ years ago when I suddenly had my own heart surgery and I said this is the way that I can cope with this to get my attention off me is to come out with a program for other people. So I started interviewing nurses and doctors while I was in the hospital recovering and later as I got to know more physicians and more doctors, I was asked to do the grand rounds at Bridgeport Hospital in Connecticut. I prepared this and created it and I was terrified that they wouldn't like it just because we're all speakers and performers and you have that little insecurity, and they loved it.

I put enough case studies in here. I had interactive exercises and the head of Bridgeport Hospital Dr. Atweh of cardiothoracic surgery said "You know you have to pursue this." So I did, and it's been researching, working with people and eventually it took about I would say a year to write the program itself, which is the first of the CDs and then to figure out exactly what I was going to put on the pre and post surgery closed eye processes because that's the key. The information we'll probably talk about is necessary for intellectual understanding but this goes far beyond intellect.

Peter: I remember you telling me that... I mean you've been working with clients for 30 years helping them when they've gone into surgery and of the fact that when you started doing this 30 years ago, most medical professionals were really skeptical about the results of doing this kind of thing. So what's changed?

James: When I started doing this I never advertised, I never charged and I was just doing what my instinct said based on some kind of periphery research at that time, but what's changed is many things. Number one hypnosis was accepted as a science. Meditation you can't pick up a medical journal anymore without seeing the results of what that does to calm and lower risk for disease, and it's endless.

So because what has changed in the medical profession today is patient satisfaction and it's very logical. They get money. A hospital gets money based on patient satisfaction. So if you want patients to be satisfied it becomes as psychological as it does mechanical. So it is the way that physicians communicate, which is all what we're about to talk about here, and the way that they can help patients reduce fear.

People have started to become wiser as patients and now are starting to ask for certain things, suggestions before surgery, suggestions during surgery. Because what most people don't know is there's a part of us, the major part of us, that never stops listening. Never. So during surgery under anesthesia, that part of us (not the logical part), but the part that makes a difference, is always out there listening for clues as positive or negative. So you extrapolate from that and then you can have people pre-surgery actually condition themselves.

Peter: Before we started recording you said something to me that I found really interesting and that is, that patients need to be accountable for their own recovery. Can you expand on that a little bit?

James: Sure. I think in life there's many ways to live, but I kind of make this very simple. There are those people that blame anything and everything for their condition - the government, God, their spouse, their child - whatever it is and once you do that, you have given away your power to create positive choice, which is I guess this is the scientific thing. It's just plain stupid. ☺

So once you are accountable for anything like a marriage, a relationship, it becomes more than two people, it becomes a third person. As you go into surgery in the old days you said doctors were gods and they didn't share information and they didn't want patients to know too much. Now with the web everybody knows everything. So let me loop this back is, once you are accountable for your healing, then you can become proactive and then you make the choice to learn the tools that is going to make a major difference both in your going into surgery and your healing and recovery.

Peter: I want to return to your heart surgery which really was the impetus for developing this whole program. You were told at the time that by several doctors that you only had a couple of weeks left to live. You came up with at that time what you call the five keys to living an exceptional life; the first being make friends with reality. James, I have a real aversion to needles. I don't even like going into a hospital. I don't even like walking in the door. I'm one of these people that I have fainted in getting shots. I'm one of those. I am so adverse to all these kinds of things. So how am I supposed to make friends with getting sliced up on an operating table?

James: I've got to back up and let's look at the whole thing about making friends with reality.

What the tendency as a human being to do when something happens to us that we don't want to happen mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally or socially, the tendency for many human beings is to either ignore it or we call it going into denial.

Peter: Right.

James: When that happens you can't make any proactive choices to help your self because if you're in drugs and alcohol it could kill you, but there's other things we deny.

Now I'm not saying all denial is bad. I'm just saying when it comes to setting ourselves up both to heal and become whole again physically, that we have to make friends with reality. So that's a little different than what you're talking about. Once you say "Oh okay. This is going to happen." I wanted to deny that I had an aortic aneurysm and I was going to croak. For 12 hours I was in shock, or 24, and I was so terrified I couldn't do any of this stuff I'm talking about, that terror for the first 24 hours.

But then once I started to, I also had my knowledge for 30 years to go on of helping other people and I said I'm going to take the attention off myself. I have worked with people with a phobia of needles for years. I've also been with them in the room when they've gotten it and they go "Well okay, I really don't want to get the shot." And I said "But you already have." I distracted them... so we're talking about a different thing now. I distracted them.

The human mind is only capable of focusing on one thing at a time. That is why and all brain science is showing this. So multitasking is a losing proposition. Now people will argue about it because they want to feel superior.

Peter: Especially my teenage daughters will argue about the fact that they can multitask and watch YouTube videos while they're doing their homework.

James: And the truth is they're taking something away from one of those. You would prefer it were doing the homework but that's the truth. So that's one thing.

The second thing is there is by doing a deep relaxation and condition yourself to relaxing, let me give you an example. My wife, we were riding out in the middle of Colorado and she got bucked off a horse and two hours from civilization, landed on a boulder, broke all her ribs and her collarbone. It was horrendous. It was a rainy day. We had our guide and of course, I'm trying to maintain the calm of all this.

She's a great hypnosis subject. The man said "I'm going. I'll bring back help." So I worked with my wife. I took her to a beach in St. Thomas in her mind for two hours. As I'm shaking and freezing she was in St. Thomas lying on a beach, no pain, no agony, no fear, no anything. So that principle is the same principle I used in the Patient Pre-op/Post-op Healing Therapy, that it conditions the mind to reduce fear and provides a rubber band to something in the future that propels or compels you psychologically with hope and with a belief that you are going to not only heal, but you're going to experience doing something. Like I created something in the future that I focused on every day, even after my surgery, and I found that I had hope.

I've built up some kind of tying that rubber band to the future. It was a really wonderful thing to happen, to be able to create that kind of not only relaxation, but programming, and that's what we're talking about here - programming.

Peter: What you're really talking about here is an attitude adjustment, right?

James: That is one of the five principles, make friends with reality and then attitude. When you say to people "Have a good attitude" or "You've got a bad attitude" that doesn't help anyone do anything. Attitude is one thing we can control. That is a choice and it's a way of perceiving the world. The studies that have been done - and I'm not even talking about sports performance which we could talk about. There's so many areas we can talk about, creativity.

There have been so many studies done that show that having a positive attitude not only helps prevent your genetic disposition from happening. Say you have a penchant for having a heart attack or a stroke or something, the attitude makes a difference but it also allows you again to be proactive. Part of what I did when I was in - and this is funny because I started questioning, I was in the ICU for 6 days, the hospital for a total of 10, my third day I started croaking questions to the nurses.

My wife was a journalist so she would record the responses because pretty soon I was out of it again. I started to quiz and before I left the hospital I did six of the senior nurses at Yale New Haven Hospital, and I would ask the question do you think attitude makes a difference in recovery? The first one was like saying no one ever asks that question. Let me tell you what I've observed, and this is the answer; not exact words, the same answer that everyone gave.

We have seen people who should have had no problems in their recovery, have major problems, and those specifically were the people that complained, they blamed, they yelled at the nurses, they yelled at the doctor, they would come in and have their family or acquaintances come in and they would yell. They'd be harsh. They'd be abrupt. And then there were the people who should have had more complications and didn't, and those were the people that - I remember the words out of my mouth - those were the people that thanked us, they were grateful for what we were doing. They were grateful for their recovery, they had a positive attitude. It made a major difference in not only going into surgery and what happened right after surgery, but in their long term recovery.

Peter: I'm sure in the care that they received in the hospital.

James: Absolutely. I always say to business I said if you're unemployed and you go in for a job interview and you have a bad attitude or you're self deprecating, or another person goes in with a positive hopeful attitude and they both have the same talent, who would you hire?

Peter: Who do you want to around?

James: Yeah, who do you want to play with? Who do you want to be around? I think in one of our previous interviews I mentioned that my wife 25 years ago in her office and showed me a sign on her wall. She said you have to know who I am. It says I do not want to be around people that vex the spirit. We had this conversation three days ago with someone. We were down in the Virgin Islands and we were talking to a doctor, and she brought up the story again. We want to play with people that are cheerleaders for us, we're cheerleaders for them. That doesn't mean that you don't have bad days. It doesn't mean that sometimes you don't get grumpy or angry. It just means that you let it go faster.

Peter: Let's talk about family a little bit in this whole thing because rarely does someone approach major surgery alone. There is family members who can be as distraught, if not more so, than the person who is actually going to get the operation. So don't you need to deal with the whole family when you go into this patient pre-op/post-op program?

James: Absolutely. I call the first CD which is 75 minutes is called a patient surgery guide to the mind. I suggest right up front that you listen to this with your family, friends and especially you must have an advocate. I punch that. I very seldom tell anyone what to do but you have to have an advocate. And so in this program, and part of what I do in person, is teaching about how powerful communication is and how you need to surround yourself with people who are positive and some people, you've got to deal with the people that are freaked out too.

A part of what this program does is help you do that too. It just eliminates fear. It makes you less susceptible and less vulnerable to negativity. It's like an immune booster for the brain and it's shown in the work because there is a part of us, probably 90% of our brain called the subconscious, which responds to positive suggestion but it also can be preprogrammed. That's what's important for people to understand, is you don't have to believe any of the stuff I'm talking about to have this work because it's going to work with or without you're saying "Oh okay, this is going to work."

If you had CNN all day long with terrible news every waking moment of your life, your life would not be as positive as someone who, I don't know, did the opposite - read positive books and listen to music and stuff. So there is a part of us that is affected by negative people, negative news and so it's very important not only... so we've got to make friends with reality which means that you just accept what's going on so you can become proactive and start to take positive steps, you adjust your attitude and that's a choice, and you have a support system. A support system in life, to me, is critical and let's forget the patient thing for a second.

Peter: Okay.

James: Let's look at what support does. There have been a lot of studies done on this. The people with the strongest social networks live happier, healthier lives even if those people smoke to excess and drink to excess. That is miraculous to me. Now how do you get a support system because some people say "Oh support group, oh this, oh that." We are programmed in our DNA for reciprocity, meaning that if we do good deeds for people it's to me the ultimate selfish act because it's going to come back because we're programmed in our primitive way to reciprocate good deeds.

Now that doesn't mean that if you did that with 100 people 100 people are going to respond, but I'll bet you 90% of them will. So when you surround yourself with a support system that means you look for what you can do with people. You can start that now as you're listening to this interview. Look around and you start to do stuff for people and they're going to be there when you need them. It is extremely critical that you have some kind of a support system and a support system could be one person, by the way. It doesn't have to be a team of people.

Peter: You stress in this program the importance of asking for help which, James, sounds easy and basic but it really is not.

James: No. It's even worse for men. It's funny because this started long before I created this program is I would coach because I do a lot of private coaching and have for years in many different arenas, peak performance coaching, but I would always ask, do you ask for what you want. The ultimate, again scientific term, stupidity is expecting people to read your mind. The great illusion of mind reading means that someone should know you have a birthday or somebody should know that you want something.

This happens in relationships all the time, and then people get upset and go I don't understand why somebody didn't compliment me or they didn't give me something or they didn't give me a present or they didn't return a phone... whatever it is. Here's the big thing - you teach people how to treat you. That statement should be branded somewhere because you teach people how to treat you. When you get rid of the ego, which means "I can do this. I'm the great American frontiers woman or frontiers man as I should be able..."

Well, that doesn't work anymore. It worked then. It doesn't work now. So even the nurses said 'ask for what you want. We will give you pain medication if you need it, but if you need it more, ask.' Ask for anything you want for your healing because that's becoming a partner in your healing. That's becoming accountable for your own healing. So it's extremely important.

The other side of that is be grateful. There have been studies on gratefulness. Gratefulness changes the channel in our mind, it changes our brain chemistry, it changes our attitude. I always give this assignment to every private client I have is before you go to bed write down five things for which you are grateful. Boom. What does it take? Seven seconds. Get up in the morning, look at the list, circle one, five seconds. It changes your attitude before you go to sleep and it starts your day on a positive note and that changes you. We're a biological mechanism to changes our brain.

Peter: I think that's some really cool advice because it's so easy to do and like you said, it could have an affect on your entire day just by doing that one simple act in the morning.

James: And being grateful to your nurses, to your doctor, to your surgeon. I want to say "Well all this program helped me through the surgery." Well the bottom line is I had great medical care. I was grateful from the time I got in. I'm grateful for my wife. I don't have an issue with that and I don't have an issue for asking for what I want. I don't over burden that. I don't tax people but hey, if I need something what's the worst that could happen? The worst that can happen is someone says no. And that's the key to risk taking.

What's the worst that could happen and are you willing to have it happen? That's the question that is the reality in liner. It brings everything in perspective is what is the risk I need to take in life? Anything, any arena and if it doesn't work out, what's the worst that can happen?

Peter: I think if you approach almost any task with that in your mind you realize that the worst that can happen really isn't all that bad so why not take the risk because it may work out the way you envisioned that it's going to work out. Now, especially James, and I see this so much in these large corporations that I work for that they're totally risk adverse right now. No one wants to take a chance on anything. They're kind of hunkered down and the economy is not great and we just need to get through this next 6 months and when things improve then we'll take some risks again, and I just think that's the wrong way of approaching.

James: Absolutely. I spoke in Chicago to a very large group and I bridged three different breakout sessions. I created three breakout sessions and did an hour between each one. What the president of the company wanted was for their employees to take ownership, to be accountable, to take action, succeed or fail. They're brilliant people. So the teams went off and they came back with all these ideas and he was just looking at me and shaking his head because everyone came up with brilliant ideas but no one said "I'll do it. I'll take the chance." At the end of the day he said "I don't understand how to get people to do this."

Another thing that you said that's really important is I think your listeners need to understand the difference between imagination and creativity because what you said is when we project in the future taking a risk, our biological self, our DNA, our primitive brain looks at the worst case scenario. No one has to work at seeing a negative image but you do have to be proactive to be able to learn what's called to reframe your thinking. Stop it and then change your thinking.

Imagination, first of all, is like a wild child. We don't ever have to work at imagining anything from the time we get up to the time we go to bed and probably in our dreams. So the imagination is always out there. Now where it is on the darkest of the dark or the lightest of the light, if you don't focus it and it's focusing your imagination, you have no control. Now the moment you focus it, you apply it, and the moment you apply it you have creativity. Because the moment you apply it, you want an outcome. The definition of creativity is either the rearrangement of the old into the new or it is coming up with something that is a product.

Now a product could be a good tennis serve. It doesn't have to be a physical product but creative acts have to result in something. So part of what the core of this pre-closed eye exercise that you do for 20 minutes twice a day before surgery and then the moment you come out of the operating room you have somebody put ear buds in, you start to listen to the next one twice a day, is it is all about the power of visual images and imaging and how that imprints the subconscious and actually affects our fear.

One of my best friends I worked with for brain surgery and she was terrified. She's English, raised in England. No one ever talked about their thinking. No one ever talked about those feelings. They felt uncomfortable about that. So when she had brain surgery she had no idea about it, and I worked with her and it was like the greatest payoff in the world. She said "I think you saved my sanity." I said "No, you saved your sanity. I just gave you the tools which I can give to anybody to do it, and it's about how positive imagery completely mutes fear...," by the way; not kind of.

Secondly, how it can reduce pain, and that's not hard either because studies show that you can reduce pain 30% to 40% and you can speed up healing. This sounds a little weird, but you can also move blood flow away from point of incision at the beginning of surgery and then bring the blood flow back after the wound has healed and that is part of the preprogram that helps the surgery go better. It helps the surgeons go better. You don't have to think about anything; you just have to program it to happen because we can control our blood pressure, our heartbeat and our blood flow.

Peter: Just through your mental ability to access that?

James: Yes. The part of this closed eye process... what you're doing when you listen to this twice a day for this 20 minutes, you just go into a deep relaxation. I guide people to do it. You listen to the suggestions. They're suggestions. They become imprinted on your subconscious. You don't have to worry about it. In this pre-program what it does is it's three stages. I call them three end results.

One is to you see yourself going into surgery calm and relaxed and that is program.

Two is to see you coming through the surgery and on your way to healing. That's programming. I don't know how to put it any other way.

Three is to project in the future, to see yourself doing something that you are passionate about and I call it living in the result, acting as if it's already done. So you're actually creating this in your mind.

For me I did two things, and all of a sudden, one was to be at the premiere of the movie that I had done at that time when I found out I had my heart surgery I just finished a movie, and I wanted to be at the premiere so I visualized myself being in the audience, what did I feel, see. That came to pass. The second thing was being at my book signing on my new book, which I'm still working on.

Peter: In a lot of your coaching practice you talk about this concept of the vision of possibility. Can you kind of explain this and how this sort of fits in to what we were just talking about?

James: Absolutely. I look at human beings as artists of restriction or artists of possibility. An artist of restrictions already put the box around their dreams. 'If only I had this or I should or I could or I need someone to give me permission.' That's restrictive thinking.

A vision of possibility to me specifically is projecting in the future and we could go to any arena with this and creating your best case scenario in relationship, in health and it's all about all this has been studies have shown that this works because it starts to put your antennae up to attract to you what you need.

You start to notice things you would never have noticed before by creating a vision of possibility, and specifically I just explained in the pre surgery and the post surgery CD is your creative vision of possibility. Going into surgery without fear, seeing yourself calm, relaxed, coming out, seeing yourself on the way to healing and then seeing yourself in the future healed, totally healed doing what you want and that's what speeds up the healing process 25%, 35% and every single person I've worked with... and I'm not making this up. I'm not even bragging because it's just mechanical, have said the doctors could not believe how quickly I healed.

Peter: Is there any research out there that's been done to substantiate attitude having a role in surgery or recovery?

James: Absolutely. I probably found about 70 studies before I made this CD and I just grabbed a couple of them here. A study was shown - and this was all done on an article called Optimistic Healing. It was done in a medical breakthrough column in the American Psychosomatic Society annual meeting, and it said optimistic women had a 14% lower risk of death from any cause after eight years than those who were more pessimistic. More cynical women had a 16% higher rate of dying than more trusting women.

Now that's in one study but you go to heart health, and it talks about optimism at the University of Rochester. Men who just believed that they had less than average chance for cardiovascular disease actually experienced a three times lower incidence of death from heart attacks and stroke. Now that's just by a belief. At John Hopkins, they discovered the people with a good attitude were half as likely to experience such sudden death or heart attack or chest pain that required surgery than those with an optimistic outlook. It goes on.

But the interesting thing is people listen to this and it sounds like magic and it isn't, because attitude affects our brain chemistry, our brain affects our physiological release of hormones from dopamine on. What you're doing is just nurturing what you have the potential to nurse. That means when I say a vision of possibility, anything that is a vision of possibility releases certain chemicals in the brain and that starts to guide us to believe that we can complete and also attract and I don't want to get too spacey about this but again, it's putting your antennae up to notice things you might not have noticed before.

Peter: James, on your website jamesmapes.com you say this program will diminish post surgery complications. We've been sort of speaking around this a little bit in this conversation, but can you be more specific about how this really works and how the kinds of things that you describe in your program will help eliminate or not eliminate but reduce the complications after surgery?

James: Forget surgery for a second and we'll talk about life. There have been so many studies done now about how negative stress affects us in every way possible. It lowers our immune system, it hurts our relationships because it alters our mood. Years ago I was able to speak to a man who created Lipitor. He did a little talk called Change or Die and he walked out and he said "If I created a drug," and they didn't know why he was there "that could save your life how many people of you would take it? If you were in crisis, if you were..."

So the entire audience hand went up of course. He said "Actually no, 90% of you wouldn't." It was stunned silence, and he went on to show that even though a statin can save our lives in many ways people either go into denial. They don't make friends with reality. They say it's not for me and by the way one of my best friends just went through this with a diabetic and say "Stop taking these pills." He said "I don't need them anymore." I've heard this case over and over with so many things.

So the reality is, is that lowering stress through any means is going to help you going into your surgery. It's going to help you heal because stress, as I said, lowers immune function as well as create a change in your blood flow, as well as it creates upset, then you upset people around you. So that all diminishes the ability to heal and that all has to do with post surgery complications.

Peter: I want to return to what you were talking about earlier when your wife fell off the horse and you took her to a nice beach. How do you eliminate pain following a procedure if you're not in the room to hypnotize somebody and take them to a beach somewhere?

James: That's a dicey word is hypnosis. We've talked about this in the past; I think it's just a silly word. Everything in life is suggestion and it's all the same thing. When you're deeply relaxed and you have input in any way, whether you're a student that relaxes before he or she reads or takes an exam... all this is about the ability to relax and have suggestion take hold. The way I've created the program is that you listen to this 20-minute exercise twice a day before a surgery and the moment you're in recovery, you have someone plug in the buds in your ears and you start to listen to the post surgery twice a day.

In addition to that, I've got suggestions on the first part of this that suggestions are so important that I ask the people to ask your surgeons and your anesthesiologist to give you specific positive suggestions during surgery. Think about this. I mentioned this at the beginning. Our subconscious never stops listening. You can hear in surgery. So what if somebody says "Oh darn that looks bad." Or "This looks like a tough surgery." There's a part of you that registers that as a suggestion, and it's just like putting doubt. Don't think of pink elephants. It puts doubt and that affects our brain chemistry which affects our body.

What I suggest is that you write out your suggestions and I give people this, have them taped to your gown or your cover as you go into surgery and ask your surgeon if he or she or the anesthesiologist or one of the nurses would repeat this three to five times during your surgery. There's no doubt that it works and not only that, now surgeons and physicians are going...

Here's another idea. Where they used to go "What are you talking about?" As a patient I would say "Just do it." Now they're cooperative. They understand that it's all about patient satisfaction.

Peter: That's really interesting. That, to me, says that this really works because if a surgeon's going to start doing this kind of positive reinforcement during surgery that means they've seen results that this really does have an effect.

James: Dr. Atweh at Bridgeport Hospital who got me to do the grand rounds has been meditating I think over 30 years and he knows this works. There was no selling him on it. The head of the cardiothoracic surgery, Dr. Elefteriades, has been one of my champions for this program is now putting together a study up there for this program to be used and do a blind study. He believes absolutely because he's witnessed this for his entire career, as 4 or 5 nurses that are my champions, they've seen it with their own eyes.

There's no question about does this work, doesn't this work; it's about the commitment to be your partner in healing and to do something that can help you in a way that's going to help everyone around you as well as your own physical self.

Peter: I know, James, that the CD has only been out for a couple of weeks, but what kind of feedback have you received to the program especially with medical professions with whom you shared the patient pre-op/post-op program?

James: I haven't really gone into a selling mode on this; however after the head of Yale New Haven Hospital cardiothoracic surgery, he listened to this and he said "I think every person should have this." He gave me a wonderful endorsement that's on my website, and the same thing at Bridgeport Hospital, and the same thing is happening in two other hospitals. I can't talk about it until I have it in black and white.

My goal is to get this out to the medical profession before I put it on Amazon. You can buy this on my website. I want the medical profession to embrace this specific program for the reasons that you have in your first CD, an entire seminar that's interactive that you can listen to with your advocates or your friends or your children, and the second two programs that you listen pre and post surgery.

It's been a wonderful ride and we're just getting in the thick of this now. This is just all happening. That's why I'm so excited, Peter, to be with you.

Peter: I'm excited to have had the opportunity to speak with you again today, James. It's always great to see you and to have you on TotalPicture Radio.

James: Thank you very much for having me.

We'd been speaking with James Mapes, the creator of the Patient Pre-Op/Post-Op Healing Therapy Program. You'll find this interview in the Big Picture Channel of TotalPicture Radio. James' website is jamesmapes.com. This is Peter Clayton. You can follow me on Twitter @peterclayton. Join my network on LinkedIn. I'm always happy to connect with TotalPicture Radio listeners. Subscribe to our newsletter on totalpicture.com and subscribe to TotalPicture Radio on iTunes.

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