Welcome to Part Two of a Big Picture Channel podcast on TotalPicture Radio, featuring Dr. Irving Dardik, Chief Visionary Officer and Co-Founder of LifeWaves International, and Energetics Technologies and Alison Godfrey, CEO and Co-Founder of LifeWaves International and Energetics Technologies. This is Peter Clayton reporting.
If you have not done so, I encourage you to have a listen to Part I of our interview with Dr. Dardik and Ms. Godfrey first, and also listen to our podcast with Stan Smith, a participant in the LifeWaves Cycles Exercise Program, a victim of Parkinson's disease for the past eleven years.
In Making Waves: Irving Dardik and his SuperWave Principal, Roger Lewin writes, "Ever since life first appeared on Earth, some 3 billion years ago, the sun has risen and set a trillion times a constant daily rythm to which the vast majority of organisms are exposed. It is little wonder, then, that virtually every aspect of an individual organism's behavior and physiology is imprinted in some fashion by daily, or circadian rhythms.
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Welcome to Part II of the Big Picture Channel podcast on TotalPicture Radio featuring Dr. Irving Dardik, Chief Visionary Officer and Co-Founder of LifeWaves International and Energetics Technologies, and Alison Godfrey, Chief Executive Officer.
This is Peter Clayton reporting. If you have not done so, I encourage you to have a listen to Part I of this interview first and also listen to our podcast with Stan Smith titled "Stan Walking." Stan is a participant in the LifeWaves Cycles Exercise Program and a victim of Parkinson's disease for the past 11 years.
In Making Waves: Irving Dardik and His Superwave Principle, author Roger Lewin writes:
Ever since life first appeared on Earth, some 3 billion years ago, the sun has risen and set a trillion times, a constant daily rhythm to which the vast majority of organisms are exposed It is little wonder then that virtually every aspect of an individual organism's behavior and physiology is imprinted in some fashion by daily or circadian rhythms.
Once again, please welcome Alison Godfrey and Dr. Irving Dardik to TotalPicture Radio.
Peter: Alison, the medical community did not seem to share Irv's enthusiasm for the research he was doing and the findings from doing this LifeWaves Cycles Exercise program.
Alison: No question. The medical community back in 1995 was up in arms and he was a heretic. And the medical community sees disease as a responsibility of the physician to cure and to help the victim, the patient. Irv was saying actually what you have is given a label by the medical community but what's really wrong is that you have a wave disorder and we need to reshape your waves, and that is your responsibility as an individual, and all hell broke loose.
Peter: You know this all seems very logical to me and yet it is so controversial. Why?
Dr. Dardik: I think partly because that New York Magazine article had on the cover story of me jumping on a trampoline in my white coat with my stethoscope. They called it, "Does Dardik have a Miracle Cure?" And when I went through the board licensing problem in revoking my medical license, as if I was claiming cure that this is impossible because you can't cure an incurable disease they said, and I tried to explain to them I don't like, I never use the word "cure."
What we are doing is, again, creating health and the idea that the individual now has a major role in taking charge. I'm not negating the use of drugs; I'm not saying drugs shouldn't be used, whatever someone is taking, be my guest, you continue, see your physician, do whatever needs to be done. But we're adding a whole new approach to creating health that the individual now has a major role in their own health and how they actually got sick in the first place. And they can look back and begin to see, as Alison was saying, shaping my waves is a powerful thing that I see that my own rhythms are out of sync. If I can resynchronize my rhythms, I'm re-synchronizing my molecules, my internal drugs.
I sometimes say to somebody, "What do you think is the biggest drugstore in the world is?" and they come back and they say CVS and Eckerd, Rite-Aid, whatever...; I said, "No, the biggest drugstore in the world is you! You have more drugs stored in your body than any drugstore out there - Eckerd or whatever - can ever dream of even knowing about; and that drugstore, you are the one who can write the prescription. You are the one who then has an opportunity to repattern and reshape your rhythms in the way you were designed to have in the first place."
Look at how you were born. You were born through rhythmic contractions. You were born right through, the whole life is rhythms. The day-night cycles. Everything is rhythms. You have to realize that's something that we have forgotten in civilization because we've locked ourselves indoors with bright lights at night but yet we've forgotten that the rhythms of nature are tied into our own behaviors, our own rhythms from the very beginning of birth and the very beginning of the human species, no less all the other animals out there. Everything is cyclic and rhythmic.
It's something that when I was in medical school and as a surgeon, no one ever talked about chronobiology, the biology of rhythms; there was no such word back then and still today, it's not taught as such. It's just beginning and people are beginning to wake up and realize how significant the rhythms of natures are.
I had the opportunity to come from, on one side having been a surgeon in vascular disease. So the heart and the blood vessels and all the rhythmic phenomena I was familiar with anatomically and physically and disease-wise, but I also was Chairman and Founder of the US Olympic Sports Medicine Council where I was working with the body's rhythms in sports, and I began to think about that. How those rhythms influence performance and I put disease on one side, the rhythms of human performance and health on the other side and I said, you know, they're not disconnected. This is all a single continuum. How do we have to understand? What do we have know about these rhythms more so than just, I wake up and go to sleep. Wake versus sleep. Exercise versus recovery. Anxiety versus relaxation. Manic versus depression. These are rhythms.
And so I began to see a commonality in all chronic disorders. They're all rhythmic disorders. All diseases are rhythmic disorders. So the idea is now looking at it from a new direction completely, not from the direction of disease but from the direction of health and rhythms, working together for me, to be with the best I can be and so that was where we came from and began working with people who had various disorders, all kinds of diseases that I was familiar with in medicine cancer to whatever, but working from the perspective now of health. A whole new concept not of be healthy because I'm going to kill the disease, but knowing how to actually functionally and actively be in charge, empowered myself to reshape my rhythms in a way that I am doing in a new pattern that has a memory for health recognizing that even the concept of an addiction, something that repeats itself over and over is a cycle. I need this drug. I took the drug and I get my high and I go down. These are rhythmic. Drug addictions are rhythmic phenomena and that's an addiction.
Suppose I can reshape my rhythms inside my body and me as a whole organism, that that rhythm no longer exists or it's overcome, it's overridden with a new rhythm designed for health. For me, as an individual, knowing that my rhythms are different than yours and the next person, but we all have a generic pattern for a rhythmic patterns for health but as an individual, I am me. I have my unique little pattern that I need to work with on my own, and that's what we've been doing with people.
People say, oh you're delivering a program? Yes, in a sense we're delivering a program, we're working with people; but the actual implementers of the program are the people on the program, whether they have a disease or not.
Peter: In 1995, you were considered a heretic by the medical community. It is 2009, how are you considered and how is this program now perceived in the medical community?
Dr. Dardik: Well, this is just beginning to get out there. We've published several papers some years ago working with a team from Harvard, from Columbia. We had a program with AIDS at The Wistar Institute in Philadelphia. We work with the University of Missouri in Parkinson's patients diseases. We work with healthy nurses at a hospital here in New Jersey, Hunterdon Hospital - we've published papers on these and what's happened is that medicine itself... this is the way I see this, is that medicine itself is running into huge crises themselves.
It's not just the insurance problems or whatever. The reality is there are more and more problems - side effects with drugs, of things that thought worked that didn't, of reports that come out and saying, oh my gosh we've got side effects we never expected years later - and so there is a major crisis in the whole health industry.
Here now is a whole new understanding that goes back to the beginning of what we were like in nature before we had civilization, how we rhythmically had to survive in nature and here we are now introducing, going back to the beginning and say, hey everybody, think about this, here's a whole new way to think and a whole new way to act and behave. And this is something that we in civilization who are locked in cages and boxes and offices and wherever, don't realize we've separated ourselves from nature and so what we have done is recreate the natural rhythms that we were designed to have in the first place and be able to deliver this in a way.
Now, where is medicine today on this? Well, we'll see. I truly believe that they should wake up themselves in their own rhythms and begin to think about how important it is for what this is, and we are just beginning to get this out there now again after my license was revoked because they said you can't cure an incurable disease.
And so what we did from that point on was to stop thinking in terms of talking about disease; we're working only with health, creating health and the results speak for themselves, not looking for major research projects with thousands of people only because for the first time ever in the history of medicine and our thinking do we know what health really is.
Alison: There's extensive research on something that's called heart rate variability, and that is the ability of the heart rate to change. So when you are active, it shoots up, when you relax, it comes down. A known fact in cardiology is that the more variable your heart rate, the more responsive and as Ary Goldberger from Harvard says, the more playful, the healthier and younger the individual; the less ability the heart has to respond, the flatter the heart rate, and that's associated with all disease and ultimately death.
What we know about the LifeWaves Cycles Exercise Program is that it actually increases variability and the question in the medical community is well does that make the individual healthier? And what we see as the answer is absolutely yes. As you increase that variability, you have a more responsive physiology on a whole and you have an individual that absolutely feels better. Their quality of life improves as does their performance. And that's something that's invaluable and could not be seen in the mindset of 1995.
In today's world, with how much people themselves have even changed in looking at your own health, it's an accepted kind of principle.
Peter: How does diet factor into this?
Dr. Dardik: They've always had, in diet... people have always said you are what you eat and that goes way back and people are very committed and fixated on - so many people are - on every detail of what they eat. You are what you eat. I come from a totally different direction. From the LifeWaves approach, it's to train your cells, the cells in the body, the microscopic cells how to eat. That's a big difference. It's not just what you eat and you shove it in and your cells don't know how to use it, the metabolism does not know how to function normally and healthy, so the food, the great vitamins or whatever go in and go out. I sometimes call it expensive urine because you take it in and out it goes.
But here now for the first time is an understanding how to train your cells how to eat to know what to choose and what not so that you don't have to be fixated a hundred percent. I'm not saying that it isn't important; it is important to have good quality nutrition and that organic food is much better obviously. But what's also important - crucial - is so your physiology knows how to use this stuff that you're taking in and that's a whole new ballgame in our thinking about nutrition and health.
Peter: How can you train your cells to know what to eat?
Dr. Dardik: In doing the cycles and training the metabolism, in the cells is energy metabolism. It's what actually processes the food and makes protein - it's like the energy factories inside a cell. And the key to cellular functioning at a high level is the capacity for all the molecules, all the genes, all the chemicals and the electrolytes to be able to communicate together in a healthy organized synchronized way. That's crucial.
When people get older and their heart wave variability begins to narrow - in other words, their max heart rate drops as we get older, you're familiar with that and therefore, in the peak of activity, the chemistry is less organized and communicative as it would be if your heart rate was 170, and now I'm only 110.
Well, what happens at the biochemical level is the chemistry becomes asynchronous. It gets out of sync. It's not able to communicate and begins to do independent things and suddenly, I have a disorder of some type. I've gotten some abnormality occurring and manifesting as some kind of a disorder or disease.
What we're doing is enabling this - in the cells and the body collectively zillions, trillions of cells that we have but collectively and individually, all these cells with their molecules and chemistry inside are being re-orchestrated in a healthy pattern of communication so that when nutrients come in, they are knowing what to use. They're using it and getting rid of the waste and doing it in a healthy way and therefore I'm not only will be healthy, I will be able to prevent disorders at the same time that I will live longer, and that's what we're doing with this program. I call it HPL (Health Performance and Longevity).
Peter: Irv, one thing that I've taken away from our conversation today is the fact that this program can really benefit anyone, whether they have an issue, like my friend Stan, with Parkinson's disease or if someone who is perfectly healthy or considers themselves to be perfectly healthy, they can benefit from adopting this Lifecycle's program. Is it necessary to physically be in your facility to take advantage of this?
Dr. Dardik: No, in essence it's a virtual program. People can do this program anywhere around the world using the compute interfacing with our computer networks and be able to understand what they are doing. People who have particular issues or problems, it's better on certain occasions to actually come here and begin to see what it is and understand and then follow through on their own on the outside working with us in the program at a distance.
Peter: The other thing that I seem to have picked up is that this is a very simple program.
Dr. Dardik: Yes, it is a very simple program and it's also very natural. In the history of medicine is that it has become more and more complex. It's become more and more difficult in terms of people and health issues. And here now is a simple, natural and logical way. It makes so much common sense when you understand it that this is not something that when I talk to people about it and they learn that the more they understand it, the easier it is for them to oh my gosh! I get it. It's not like out of this world. And I don't have to know every detail that's going on at the microscopic level. I just know that if I created my own program of health, the microscopic will take care of itself and repattern itself toward health. So it is a simple, natural, logical and useful beyond... it's incredible.
Peter: In the introduction, I quoted from Roger Lewin's book, Making Waves: Irving Dardik and His Superwave Principle. I like to go on to Amazon and check the reviews of books and here again controversy reigns. Everything from 5 stars "Promising approach to health and intriguing view of life," to "the 5 star reviewers are viral marketers."
What's going on here, Irv?
Dr. Dardik: This is not unique in the history of human race and no less of science and medicine. You had someone named Semmelweis 150 years ago or so who believed that (and noted that) when he was delivering babies as a physician, that if he washed his hands, the babies had much more chance of survival in not getting infections, and announced this. He was ostracized and criticized to the nth degree as Galileo was when he came up with his ideas in physics and science. This is so common.
It's almost... if you haven't gone through that, then whatever you discovered wasn't unique enough. But the history of science and medicine has been through great innovations, through new ideas. That's where we have to go. It's not just working at the same point. To be a physician, you have to act like a physician. To be a scientist, you have to act like a scientist and they're always looking at peer review trying to keep the normalcy, the norm don't make waves.
The name of the book that Roger wrote about me is Making Waves. That's the direction we have to come.
If we had a finished answer to health and medicine and in science, there wouldn't be any problems in the health industry. We'd be there again. But the fact that we've had so many crises means that perhaps we do need a new revolution in health and medicine. And that's what this is, a new revolution but in health and that is what we need and where we're going to be in the future.
Peter: Dr. Dardik, thank you so much for taking time to be with us today on TotalPicture Radio. Alison, it's been great to have an opportunity to meet you as well.
Alison: Thank you very much.
Dr. Dardik: Thank you very much. I really enjoyed it, Peter.
Peter: Thank you.
We've been speaking with Dr. Irving Dardik, Chief Visionary Officer and Co-Founder of LifeWaves International and Energetics Technologies and Alison Godfrey, Chief Executive Officer.
Visit the Big Picture channel of TotalPicture Radio, that's totalpictureradio.com, and if you have not done so, be sure to listen to Part I of our podcast with Irv and Alison, and our podcast with Stan Smith titled "Stan Walking." This is Peter Clayton reporting. Thank you for tuning in to TotalPicture Radio, the voice of career and leadership development.
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