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Pathwise Management

Podcast with psychoanalytic leadership training expert, Todd Hollow Bist

Todd Hollow Bist, Pathwise Management Co-Founder Todd Hollow Bist, PsyD

"It's the Smooth Stone That Skip the Furthest"

Welcome to a Leadership Channel podcast on Total Picture Radio with Peter Clayton reporting. Joining us today from Seattle is the co-founder of Pathwise Management, Todd Hollow Bist.

The mission of Pathwise Management is "to introduce Top Caliber managers to powerful, but widely unknown tools for life and business gained through over 100 years of psychological thought." Several months ago I interviewed Todd's partner, Chad Hattrup, and thought it would be valuable to speak with Todd, given the unique process they use in working with executives, called the Ten Essentials of Pathwise.

"Obsessive-Compulsive personalities are very predominant in business because it's a highly functioning personality."

Talking Points

In my conversation with Chad last October we spoke at some length about the fear and anxiety which exists in the workplace. If anything, that has intensified and I would imagine is a topic of conversation with your clients.

You recently gave a workshop called "leading through the economy" can you give us some take-away's from that event?

There are a lot of great techniques for managing stress -- exercise, meditation, yoga -- however in the middle of a tense day a the office those options are not available. What techniques can people learn to help focus on work, not fear?

One of the Pathwise "essentials" I'd like you to comment on is called Resistance & Defenses - attributes which really become magnified in this economy.

Interpersonal Patterns: Transference iis another skill you teach - can you give us some context?

An in-depth discussion of dealing with Obsessive-Compulsive personalities

About Pathwise Management

The founders of Pathwise come from senior positions in academia and the high-tech industry to solve critical people management challenges in large organizations. From this experience it became apparent that analytic psychology tools were highly effective when applied to business situations. From this, Pathwise compiled the Ten Essentials of Pathwise.

The Ten Essentials Of Pathwise Management

Suspension of Attention

In this course you will expand your ability to understand why employees, managers, and clients behave the way they do, and how to better influence them. There is a hierarchy to perception that has a direct influence on the effectiveness of action. Learn how to differentiate between higher and lower levels of perception, and how to access and sustain more strategic levels of perception.

Interpersonal Patterns: Transference

Learn how to navigate the unspoken but powerful relational dynamics that can lead you to greater success with clients, co-workers, managers, and employees. Understanding transference can help you to better perceive how clients, employees, and manager dynamics are applied to you, and can create counterproductive reactions in you. With this knowledge you can then learn to respond to others in ways to reach your desired result.

Personality Types

Human behavior can be predicted and influenced based on understanding personality types. Learn how to quickly perceive these patterns in order to effectively interact with potential clients, employees, and board members. Also, utilize this tool to learn how to hire the best-matched talent for your company. This course also includes an investigation into ones own personality type.

Resistance & Defenses

Human resistance patterns stop progress. These resistance styles are related to personality type. Learn how to quickly assess the resistance patterns a person uses, and how to manage and remediate them, or overcome them to attain mutual goals. In this class you will learn the primary resistance patterns by type, including an exploration into your own. 

Cognitive Development

Building upon the material in 601 this course explores how motivations and manageability shift dramatically depending upon peoples' stage of cognitive maturity. Understand the concept of psychological age and learn appropriate ways of engaging people in order to obtain optimal results. Learn how to assess, predict, and influence behavior based on understanding a person's stage of cognitive development.

Advanced Listening

Advanced listening creates the capacity to motivate and understand at the level of a top caliber leader. Learn how advanced listening compels others to provide you with exact information, and allows you as the listener the capacity to hear and comprehend more of the available information. This includes simultaneously listening to and understanding the cognitive, emotional, non-verbal, and unconscious modes of communication.

Human Motivation

In this course you will learn about the phenomenon of intrinsic motivation. You will be able to concretely categorize and discern the most powerful mechanisms of motivation, and you will become more effective at motivating your employees, clients, or board members.


Learn the principles and structure of the Socratic mode of discourse, which elicits the maximum creativity, contribution, and motivation from people during meetings. Gain mastery of the methods and tools of this disciplined inquiry for facilitating discovery meetings, open communications, question and answer sessions, and technology, product, and organizational design. In this course you will learn how to facilitate and participate in these highly effective meetings.

Systems Thinking

Systems Thinking is a way of understanding complex problems in organizations that cannot be reduced to single individuals. People instinctively attempt to solve problems in terms of simplified cause and effect relationships. This style predominates in management behavior today. You will learn to understand the basic tools of the systems approach, and will recognize systems behavior in common situations. This course will provide you with the tools to perceive and intervene strategically in highly complex business problems.


Archetypes are the universal human interaction patterns that play themselves out within every organization and group of people. The archetypes operating in organizations arise out of the accidental formation of typical human situations that have occurred in over 2 million years of human evolution. The archetypes collectively mobilize the instinctive part of the brain and can compel entire organizations to follow the directions dictated by the archetypes themselves. Often the direction of archetypes can be destructive if not understood and managed. You will learn how to perceive and categorize the archetypes operating in your organization, and how to identify and mobilize more productive and useful ones, which will help you attain shared organizational aims.

Todd Hollow-Bist, PsyD, Co-Founder 

Todd has 17 years of organizational and academic management experience. He spent seven years as Academic Director at Northwest College of Art and five years in senior management at MediHealth, Seattle. The last five years he has focused on working with various non-profit, corporate, and governmental agencies. This has included leadership training, individual advising, and developing management teams for organizations such as Microsoft, Crane Aerospace, Phillips Medical, Friends of Youth, University of Washington, and Argosy University. In addition, Todd has taught psychology and related college courses for nine years at the undergraduate and graduate level.

Todd's area of expertise is developing highly effective leaders and teams through the application of classic psychoanalytic theory, organizational leadership theory, and neuropsychological and consciousness research. Leaders who work with Todd are constantly surprised by how quickly and effectively he can teach them the fundementals of psychoanalytic and mindfulness theories. This allows these leaders the ability to quickly and confidently assess individual and organizational challenges and to find solutions that are effective, creative, and practical.

Todd earned his B.A. and M.Ed. from the University of Washington and earned a M.A. in Clinical Psychology from Argosy University. Todd finsished his Psy.D. study at Argosy University and then wrote his dissertation at Calamus University. He also completed his two year clinical internship at the University of Washington and has an additional ten years of psychoanalytic and mindfulness trainining.

Peter Clayton

About Peter Clayton

Peter Clayton, Producer/Host, is an award-winning producer/director of radio, television, documentary, video, interactive and Web-based media who has created breakthrough media for a wide array of Fortune 100 clients.


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